Vinoj.com

nope. its true.

muahahhhahah.

jeez, people actually called for a divorce in the week that billboard was up. how pathetic.

marriage has become a sort of joke now. nobody takes it seriously anymore. its supposed to be a special bond between two people who vow to love and care for each other. now it’s become like some permit to have sex, then get a divorce when you get bored, or have a ‘fight’, lawl, and then get re-married, and repeat.

maybe i’m too old fashioned, maybe i’m too muslim, maybe im just stupid, but i think this happens more and more because of dating. dating is okay if you’re old enough and are actually out to wanna get married and stuff. if you’re doing it for the hell of it, like little 5th graders are now, o-kay. and you wonder why we have pregnant 15 year olds, right? whatever the hell. i blame the media.

okay im done. i think. yes. its my bedtime. screw the 2nd gov assignment i was gonna think about finishing. sleep ftw!

i think i went off into a tangent.

Wow Arshy, nice response. I agree with you 100%, does that make me too muslim too?
Big ups!

Blame the media? I’d say that’s a pretty cliched response. And this ambiguous ‘media’ is such a trend to blame something on. Is your kid violent? Blame the media! Your marriage is on the rocks? Blame the media! Your dinner wasn’t served hot at your favorite restaurant? Blame the media!

At most points during history, there’s a scapegoat that comes up; the past 20-30 years has seen ‘the media’ (and would someone please describe what that means, really??) as The Ultimate Scapegoat.

It’s a lot of the same people that say that ‘Westernization’ (cough- AMERICA-cough) is responsible for the downfall of family values and other such bullshit.

Every generation– from the ages of Hammurabi to the Prohibition Era to the 60’s, to “Death Metal 80’s” to “Hip-Hop Today” claims that it is the “worst period of morality in history.”

The truth however is that history, and even time, is cyclical. Some times a country swings to the extreme right wing (post 9-11 when everyone went Republican) to extreme left wing (post-Recession DotCom Boom). There are even micro-cycles in between, and much larger macro-cycles that have to be accounted for.

So now, to claim that DATING is the downfall of society? Please. Dating has been going on in unofficial stages since the Caveman Days. Caveman 1 sees Cavewoman he wants to mate with. He does whatever it takes to get Caveman 2 from getting her. There you have it. Dating, Neanderthal style.

kinda sorta agree. i blame the media because, well, they dont stop music artists from ‘rapping/singing’ about stuff that isnt the best to be listening to in middle school. say my sister started listening to r kelly or akon, or anyone, u know what i mean, it would, influence her. you get what im saying. she’s telling me about all her friends who have boyfriends and thier love triangles and drama. she’s in middle school. she’s been telling me about stuff like that since 5th grade, no lie. all these kids do is go to school, where its either vulgur or violent, then they go home, watch tv, which i doubt is locked on the discovery channel or the history channel, and then they listen to music and go online. thats it? parents are too busy with thier jobs to give thier kids the time of day. not saying they do it on purpose. it just happens to work that way. parents work to build a childs future while the kid dosent even care.

I think dating is wrong at a young age. I don’t care if people date, but they should date if they are looking to get married. Middle and high school kids have no business dating, unless they really plan on getting married, but that’s a special case. You brought up cavemen? Yes they have the whole ‘oh, she’s mine’ deal but once they get her, its not a one night stand kinda thing. I think. I don’t know caveman history.

Also dating at a young age encourages pre-marital sex, which leads to teen pregnancy or people who are unsatisfied with their marriages, leading to the excessive number of people having affairs and getting a divorce. im done =]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Talk about lapses in logic. Alright, I’ll take this line by line, as they used to call it back in my debater days.

Before I continue, I’d like to submit that you still haven’t defined what ‘the media’ is. I’ll need that definition on my desk by the end of the working day. Seriously though, the reason I ask is because it’s such an abstract term and it means too many different things to different people. Some people refer to the news as media, others to MTV as the media, magazines as the media, or in your case, rap music as ‘the media’.

1. Your point here about what kids listen to and watch is exactly negated by what you said– that the parents aren’t taking care. That parents are too busy to care about their own kids. So if that’s the case, why should freedom of expression be quelled just because you can’t take care of your own kids? This falls under the responsibility of the parents. But take Vinni’s case for instance. It’s not like my mom or dad blocked TV channels or stopped her from listening to different types of music; they had already instilled values in her from a very young age (and she’s religious, which also adds to it to a certain extent), which led to her not being pregnant and on her 12th ex boyfriend.
3. Alright, I can see why you think that dating at an earlier age can lead to premarital sex. But this thinking is also flawed because most 15 year old girls that are pregnant aren’t pregnant by their boyfriends. They’re pregnant by some “ooh so really cute guy that is SOOOO dreamy,” who then never calls them again. But the part that was TOTALLY off where you jumped the logic train was where you said that dating at a young age leads to pre-marital sex and then excessive divorce. Huh?? There’s no logic connecting the two. They’re two totally separate functions.

ergh too much to type. msn ftw.

Hot dawg! It got heated up in herrr. Haha, you know what I think is funny? How you (chacha) said that Arshy jumped the logic train and how there was no logic connecting the two thoughts, and then you go ahead and skip thought number two!
Unless you did that on purpose….
But keep this thread going, it’s entertaining!

Vinni, what are you defining as thought number two? I’m curious as to what I skipped; I don’t see it.

Well in your response prior to your latest one there are 3 points. 1. 2. 3. But there’s nothing next to point number 2.
Silly rabbit.

You haven’t told me which is which. You’ve said there are three points– illustrate for me. Say, “this is point 1, this is point 2, this is point 3.” Otherwise I’m still sorta scratching my head as to what I missed.

This is interesting stuff…i agree with vinoj on the whole scapegoat thing…its called ‘being convenient’…there’s no one unified body that can sue u for slander…so media fits the bill…and they blame westernization….bullshit…Indians are the most debauched of the lot! C’mon…the Kama Sutra??? The Maharaja n the concubines..?? And now dating…see, it all depends on how the parents deal with it. kids will pick up stuff from anywhere, there’s no stopping them. its how u deal with it that determines if they’re going to be coke-snorting pregnant 15 year olds or not…swat off the age old birds ‘n’ bees question and you have a curious cat wanting to know more, come hell or high water…[the] more questions [are] brushed under the carpet, [the] more the urge to find out. A crush happens and in typical Indian dad style, you’re forbidden to talk to boys…sit them down…explain the do’s and dont’s…keep communication open…DON’T get judgmental…It’s when the kid feels he/she has to hide stuff that there’s this sense or urgency to go many bases with the opposite sex, in the short time frame that they have alone (parents being at work or whatever)…and voila…you have an uninformed/misinformed child experimenting because he/she doesn’t know any better…it’s a manifestation of repression of the natural curiosity…
Phew…i have more to say…but later…

Let me add some to this fire …
The title of the article is:
U.S. divorce rate falls to lowest level since 1970

check it at either of these sites:

[MSNBC]
[London Free Press]

While divorce rates are getting low, its also suggested that its because of people are living together long term without marrying (Im sure arshy will have something to say about this?)

Life is indeed short, love someone!

man arshy quit. she got government to do.

i think its a great ad. the firm is definately gonna be talked about. sure if the ad makes people file for divorce theres something wrong but not with the firm or the ad. lets give human intelligence a little credit one isnt going to look at a billboard and decide to do what it tell u to. theres more than one reason to file for divorce and a billboard, irrespective of what it may advertise, is not one of them.

Arshy, I’m proud that you’ve got government to do and you’re not wasting your time online. (Just make sure you’re not replacing this site with some other one, haha.) Good stuff- take care of school first.

Now onto another point I was considering.

The two people who have talked about ‘marriage degrading in America and how America has gone downhill’ have been Arshy and Vinni. That’s interesting to note, because both are very religious. Now there’s nothing at all wrong with that, and I’m not going to get into a religious debate over whether religion is good or bad.

However, I think the underlying point is that conservative religions require a negative view of the world in order to continue their propaganda.

Christianity (because I’m more familiar with it) generally espouses that Christians are constantly being persecuted all over the world and that Christians should fight to spread the religion. Never mind the fact that Christianity is number one in the world and that in America, it’s many Christians who persecute other religions. (See 9/11 and its after-effects.) I’d also recommend you see Jesus Camp, like I discussed in an earlier post of mine.

To take it to the political realm, Republicans require that people live in constant fear of ‘terrorist attacks’ because it furthers their own agenda of more money for the military, more for private contractors such as Halliburton, and so on. Any news that is contrary to this will be heavily fought (or in the case of Iraq for Sale, outrightly banned) because it cuts down on the efficacy of their message.

In summation, we as humans do what is told to us by our trusted sources. To some, religion might be the end-all be-all of “TRUTH”, while to others, it might be Wikipedia, the President, or even Cosmo. I just think it’s worth noting that our judgment of who’s speaking the truth has flavored this discussion (whether it’s good or bad is up to the reader to decide).

Blah…seriously?

Ok, here’s what ya wrote:

1. Your point here about what kids listen to and watch is exactly negated by what you said– that the parents aren’t taking care. That parents are too busy to care about their own kids. So if that’s the case, why should freedom of expression be quelled just because you can’t take care of your own kids? This falls under the responsibility of the parents. But take Vinni’s case for instance. It’s not like my mom or dad blocked TV channels or stopped her from listening to different types of music; they had already instilled values in her from a very young age (and she’s religious, which also adds to it to a certain extent), which led to her not being pregnant and on her 12th ex boyfriend.
2.
3. Alright, I can see why you think that dating at an earlier age can lead to premarital sex. But this thinking is also flawed because most 15 year old girls that are pregnant aren’t pregnant by their boyfriends. They’re pregnant by some “ooh so really cute guy that is SOOOO dreamy,” who then never calls them again. But the part that was TOTALLY off where you jumped the logic train was where you said that dating at a young age leads to pre-marital sex and then excessive divorce. Huh?? There’s no logic connecting the two. They’re two totally separate functions.

See it? Man, now I don’t even know what I was even talking about….

Ohhhh.. okay. I had to go back and re-read Arshy’s post. What I did was clump up her second and third paragraphs into my point 2.

But I’m curious to your reaction/response/ambivalence towards my previous post about religion requiring a negative view. What’s your take? Ooh- or even ask Mommy! That will definitely illicit a strong response!